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How to track Karl Knilling Cello. July 28, 2011 at 01:43 PM I am trying to find the production date on a Karl Knilling Cello. My son played it in school 30 yrs ago. Has anyone found a way to check on age of Knilling Cello,s. I can find nothing to track serial numbers or models. Sure would be much easier if it were a violin. Karl Knilling is just a ficticious trade name for German-made violins imported and sold by U.S. BAND & ORCHESTRA SUPPLIES, INC from St. Louis, Missouri. Your model, in good shape and set up with a good bridge and strings, a bow and the hardshell case it probably came in, might fetch about $250 in excellent condition, and about $150 if it shows.

July 8, 2011 at 11:59 PM ·

Though I bought my violin in 1990 I only fiddled around with it (Celtic) for about a year before life took me away from it.

Due to a winning bid at a silent auction for a violin lesson I have taken up the violin again (about 4 months now). After a neck lift, new bridge and a bow re-hair, I am happy with my violin.

Over the years I have been told that I should have been a musicologist and I have a great interest in instruments. So it is not surprising that I have also become very interested in violins, especially mine.

What I find amazing is that with all the resources I can find no information on my violin. I know that the instrument was at a consignment store, but it looks near mint and was very poorly adjusted when I bought it. The store contacted a luthier and knocked off the cost of adjustment, though that was lowering the bridge, the neck lift was two decades later.

Can anyone tell me how I can find out when my instrument was made. I do not think there is even a model associated with it. All the label says is

I have made two request through Knilling's contact page. They have never responded. I have asked around but I really do not want to pay $45 just to know when my violin was made?

Does anyone know where I can search for this type of information?

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July 9, 2011 at 12:32 AM ·

Not sure if it's possible to find out when a trade violin is made based on a serial number though.

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July 9, 2011 at 01:33 AM ·

Hi Patrick, Great question.

Knilling is the bowed string instrument division of St. Louis Music, which imports instruments from many different factories and workshops from around the world. Knilling instruments are often found in music stores and rental programs, but do tend to be good instruments. Most of the student-level instruments did have serial numbers on the label to make it easy for companies that rent them to keep track of the violin, but the labels were not dated.

The exact serial number in your violin is pretty much meaningless as far as a production date, because those labels were applied inside the violins after they were imported--often left to the dealer to insert (or not). What is more important in identifying your violin is the model number. The most common models at that time were the German-made #8 and #10 models, which were used extensively in rental programs. Back in the 1980's and '90's, most of the #8 Knilling violins came from the Klier factory, while the #10 violins originated in the Hofner factory. Even though your label states 'handmade,' it is most likely a factory-produced instrument. If you can post a picture, I might be able to tell you what you've got. Generally speaking, the #8 models were a dark reddish-brown color with spirit varnish that tended to chip and scratch easily--but properly set-up, they sounded pretty decent. The #10 models were more of an orange color with a bullet-proof poly-ureathane finish, and a mediocre sound (because they were made heavy and then encased in a thick, plastic finish).

Knilling did offer higher models as well, such as the #30 and #34, and these were higher-level German-made instruments that were intended to be marketed to advancing students coming out of a rental program.
Josh Henry, Bow Maker & Restorer
www.FineViolinBows.com

July 9, 2011 at 06:11 PM ·

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I have created an album on Photobucket with pictures of the violin (http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e214/tinneyp/Knilling%20Violin%202396/ or http://tinyurl.com/5tzdgam).

The detail of the lower back shows the one chipped area in the finish. This like the broken upper edge of the chin rest was there when I bought it.

During that first year of playing 'fiddle' back in 1990 I never was able to hear the violin. I lived in an apartment and used a heavy mute. For a while I started each practice with long and loud open strings and recently double strings and the instrument does seem to be opening up.

Some day I will want to upgrade but my seven year old son has started to express an interest in both the violin and the flute (my flutes are wood and have zero to four keys, mainly one). I will be discussing his training with my teacher at my lesson this Thursday. I am very excited about his interest. He is a great singer.

Thank you for looking at my violin.

Pat T.

July 9, 2011 at 11:52 PM ·

Hi Patrick,
The violin in the pictures really does look to me like one of the Hofner factory violins that Knilling marketed as their model #10. The orange appearance, glossy finish, finish masking lines on the neck, and the complete lack of flaming in the wood are some of the traits of this model. To get back to your original question--When could it have been made? -- The general appearance of the Knilling #10 violin remained nearly unchanged between the mid-1980s and the mid-1990's. It is possible that it was made earlier, but I doubt it. Your violin does look to be in great shape, and I hope you enjoy playing it again!
Josh Henry

July 10, 2011 at 02:29 AM ·

Thank you so much.

Having heard the Hofner name since the 60’s it is exciting to know there may be a family tie with my violin.

Karl Knilling Handmade In Germany

My feeling was that the seller had picked up the violin from a store that was going out of business, it still looks almost new. I bought it in September of 1990, so mid to late 80s sound right.

I do think the luthier at Blackerby Violin Shop did a nice job of setting up my violin and it is starting to sound nice (I didn’t like it for a while, but that was probably me). He didn’t think he could get the projection up as high as he would have liked without losing the edge extension near the neck so it has a low heart bridge.

I find it hard to believe that there are louder violins, sometimes when I have had a good practice and ended with some fiddle tunes my left ear feels abused. So this little jewel is definitely opening up.

I do want to try better strings now that I can keep the bow straight. But right now my next step is to cash in my father’s day / birthday (August) present; a new bow.

I really appreciate this forum and I especially enjoyed learning about the two factories and the different natures of their products. I am looking forward to spending more time reading through the various topics. I am thoroughly enjoying learning about violins.

Again thank you.
Pat T.

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